So what I am suggesting, abive, is a way to relate various opinions about the same things. “SameAs” is commits to much, represents is more like the concept we would like to say that the multiple opinions represent the same thing in the world.

-Cory

So what I am suggesting, abive, is a way to relate various opinions about the same things. “SameAs” is commits to much, represents is more like the concept we would like to say that the multiple opinions represent the same thing in the world.

-Cory

At no point have I implied that an HTTP URI is anything more that an sign post into its creators World View

We are all going to observe aspects of the same object differently, we pack our observations into representations that are associated with the Identifiers that we mint.

No absolute truths of any kind, just opinions and claims packaged in digital form

Kingsley

At no point have I implied that an HTTP URI is anything more that an sign post into its creators World View

We are all going to observe aspects of the same object differently, we pack our observations into representations that are associated with the Identifiers that we mint.

No absolute truths of any kind, just opinions and claims packaged in digital form

Kingsley

So,
• We can’t use “the Real World Object Identifier, the conduit to the Information Object that bears its description (metadata)” since they (the information objects) may not share the same metadata
• We can’t use “constellation of characteristics that coalesce around the Identifier of a Real World Object” because we may or may not agree on those characteristics.
• We can’t use “?” as the binding point because it can’t be referenced across graphs.

While there will probably be a subset of characteristics and metadata that we share as the basis for forming our assertion that they represent the same real world object we should not assume any such correspondence without it being asserted or computed is a manor we trust.

So what we are recognizing is that any model is just an opinion about the world. What we do, constantly, is compare and negotiate these various opinions. What most current representations & logics have not done is recognize these information objects as such opinions such that we can compare and leverage different opinions about the same thing. “represents” is then a way to link an opinion with the subject of the opinion. This also gives us a hook for understanding the source and trust of each such opinion.

So,
• We can’t use “the Real World Object Identifier, the conduit to the Information Object that bears its description (metadata)” since they (the information objects) may not share the same metadata
• We can’t use “constellation of characteristics that coalesce around the Identifier of a Real World Object” because we may or may not agree on those characteristics.
• We can’t use “?” as the binding point because it can’t be referenced across graphs.

While there will probably be a subset of characteristics and metadata that we share as the basis for forming our assertion that they represent the same real world object we should not assume any such correspondence without it being asserted or computed is a manor we trust.

So what we are recognizing is that any model is just an opinion about the world. What we do, constantly, is compare and negotiate these various opinions. What most current representations & logics have not done is recognize these information objects as such opinions such that we can compare and leverage different opinions about the same thing. “represents” is then a way to link an opinion with the subject of the opinion. This also gives us a hook for understanding the source and trust of each such opinion.

You state:
“Now we have a hook – we can say “information object identifier” “represents” “object identifier”.

Then you state:
“So a very simple generic addition “represents” and a convention for object identity (perhaps with a new URI type like “id://corycasanave.modeldriven.org”

But, what's wrong with:
?

Where:

Identifies the Information Object (bearer of constellation of characteristics that coalesce around the Identifier of a Real World Object); Where, the format of the Information Object structure is only constrained by the representation manifestation capabilities of the medium of perception, e.g., mime types re. the Internet medium.

And:
is the Real World Object Identifier, the conduit to the Information Object that bears its description (metadata).

Rick:
It would be nice if you could place Referent, Identifier, and Representation in the Triangles above, so as to add to the overall clarity of this nice post.

Kingsley